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do you understand the romney foreign policy? >> yeah -- i'm not a romney -- >> i know you're not. >> but here's the point. the world is better off and america's better off if there's leadership from the united states. >> you think rhetoric matters is what you're saying. the policy differences aren't much. >> might not be material much, but i think u.s. policy, russia, trade is going differ. i think policy in the mideast is different and starting with your friends, working with the industrial democracies, showing leadership is an important ability block that romney is articulating that we're not seeing. >> i'm going to be a cynic here, tough on china talk. every presidential candidate talks tough on china. in office, never as tough as their rhetoric. >> 20 years ago was tough on japan. i think it's -- >> even clinton was going to be tough on china and wasn't. >> sure. he really overshot. he used the butchers of beijing and brought a lot of issues. i think our trade relation with china are generally positive, but there is an area
do you understand the romney foreign policy? >> yeah -- i'm not a romney -- >> i know you're not. >> but here's the point. the world is better off and america's better off if there's leadership from the united states. >> you think rhetoric matters is what you're saying. the policy differences aren't much. >> might not be material much, but i think u.s. policy, russia, trade is going differ. i think policy in the mideast is different and starting with your friends,...
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romney is there delivering the foreign policy speech today. it's in the tossup category. still on this map. is it sliding one way or another? >> there has been clearly been moving to romney in all the states. you are seeing that. the debate did make a difference for him. virginia is going down to wire. i don't think karl and i expect anything different. >> when you talk about polls and independents self-identify as republicans, >> the same thing with democrats is happening for romney. grows two or three points and then all of a sudden the number of people identify as republicans go up in the polls as well. i don't think that the pollsters are rejirging the numbers. something that is happening as a shift now, more people are starting to identify the republicans. >> remember one thing about the debate. the first debate is determinative. that is to say that the result after the third debate tends to mirror what happened in the first debate. if you win the first debate, you generally tend to win the series. the arc on the narrative matters with regard to how much you win it b
romney is there delivering the foreign policy speech today. it's in the tossup category. still on this map. is it sliding one way or another? >> there has been clearly been moving to romney in all the states. you are seeing that. the debate did make a difference for him. virginia is going down to wire. i don't think karl and i expect anything different. >> when you talk about polls and independents self-identify as republicans, >> the same thing with democrats is happening for...
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the big story here is romney's attack on president obama foreign policy. tonight on "special report," governor romney laid out the vision of global affairs in a speech this morning at virginia military institute. he said the president actions threatened american security and cause of freedom. president obama is in california for campaign event tonight. he is dealing with the one new poll that shows the race dead even at vii% apiece -- vi -- up% apiece. we look at the electoral college map from joe trippi and karl rove. new information on request for security at the u.s. diplomatic facility in libya prior to the deadly assault on mission complex in benghazi and more evidence of the administration knew it was terrorism, while telling the public a different story. "special report" from washington starts at 6:00 eastern. now back to new york and my colleagues with "the five." ♪ ♪ >> eric: welcome back. gas prices seat new record. average price of one gallon now at $4.67. that is 22% more than the u.s. average. that sprung jerry brown to action. he directed
the big story here is romney's attack on president obama foreign policy. tonight on "special report," governor romney laid out the vision of global affairs in a speech this morning at virginia military institute. he said the president actions threatened american security and cause of freedom. president obama is in california for campaign event tonight. he is dealing with the one new poll that shows the race dead even at vii% apiece -- vi -- up% apiece. we look at the electoral college...
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but the achilles heel of romney was supposed to be foreign policy. now we see him steup to the plate, call it as everybody saw it. it is quite evident it was a terrorist attack. spot on in his remarks on september 12th. he blew of another security briefing. the fact is, i think romney is looking very much like a president on the economic side as well as a foreign policy side. suppose to be his weakest link. lou: the fact is, the president is not running oany front right now. >> but especially foreign policy you are seeing it. >> jobs. lou: well, let's go first, if i may. if we may hear, let's start with taxes. can we do that. profess seat to the professor harvey rosen after all of this nonsense, this smear campaign that is going on, this attack on governor romney that has become the default campaign of the obama folks, he had to come out and save, the president is represented me in the debate. he has misrepresented my views on the run the tax plan, which -- is entirely possible. >> it is crazy. if you read the rose and paper it is basically an explan
but the achilles heel of romney was supposed to be foreign policy. now we see him steup to the plate, call it as everybody saw it. it is quite evident it was a terrorist attack. spot on in his remarks on september 12th. he blew of another security briefing. the fact is, i think romney is looking very much like a president on the economic side as well as a foreign policy side. suppose to be his weakest link. lou: the fact is, the president is not running oany front right now. >> but...
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romney's foreign policy address was titled "the mantle of leadership." he tried to cast president obama as weak, saying in the middle east, the risk of conflict in the region is higher now than when the president took office. what's your assessment of that claim? >> i think the president's record speaks for itself. this is a president who has been very -- very good at doing what he actually says. he said he would refocus the fight on al qaeda, he's done that. he said he would chart a transition course in afghanistan to bring our troops home in 2014, and he's done that. so i think when you think about what this speech needed to do for mitt romney, it needed to do two things. one is to be clear that he articulates some kind of vision, indicate he has some kind of come pass on these issues. and secondly, to clarify if he has differences with the president, exactly what would he do differently as commander in chief. and i don't think he passed the test on either count. >> specifically, you mention the issue of iraq. one of the things that i wonder a lot abou
romney's foreign policy address was titled "the mantle of leadership." he tried to cast president obama as weak, saying in the middle east, the risk of conflict in the region is higher now than when the president took office. what's your assessment of that claim? >> i think the president's record speaks for itself. this is a president who has been very -- very good at doing what he actually says. he said he would refocus the fight on al qaeda, he's done that. he said he would...
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romney participated in a round table. he called for strong foreign policy debate with the president on october the 16th. the world is a better place because cesar chavez decided to change it. most importantly let's live up to his example. what we are hearing is a note in democratic country this time around there seems to be a tepid response for registration. chicago residents have two options, you can register online at chicago collections.com. chicago elections.com. since the tax payers, we need to make sure the people in and around illinois sports authority of the best sports professionals. the seven member board was supposed oppose candidates monday. back to the mayor and his big plans in the works for chicago second shoreline, the river. robert jordan has a look at those plants. i talked about making the chicago river the next recreational frontier of this city. >> there are portions of the chicago river wall that have already been built out but there are also vast stretches of the river that are vacant or without a s
romney participated in a round table. he called for strong foreign policy debate with the president on october the 16th. the world is a better place because cesar chavez decided to change it. most importantly let's live up to his example. what we are hearing is a note in democratic country this time around there seems to be a tepid response for registration. chicago residents have two options, you can register online at chicago collections.com. chicago elections.com. since the tax payers, we...
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actually mitt romney is a bigamistry to us when it comes to foreign policy. in part because republicans are at war amongst themselves. they are not just fighting with barack obama and democrats over what kind of foreign policy e they should have. on the one hand within romney's campaign you have neocon advisers who represent the soul and spirit of bush and cheney. you have tea party types who say let's focus on rebuilding our economy and america at home. and a third category of classic republican realists, if you will, who are more of the liberal internationalist variety. you have all these groups fighting for romney. amazing quotes even in the new york times today from a leading republican foreign policy advocate saying basically, well, we don't know which one romney is. we'd like to say would the real mitt romney stand up. that's from his allies. there is no wonder we are confused about his policies. he has not yet resolved tension within the team. >> that same piece has unnamed romney advisers saying they have talked with him so little on national security
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what is fact, what is fiction in mitt romney's foreign policy? >> let me just say first, ed, that i have never in some 68 years on this earth witnessed any political candidate for the united states move so swiftly from his speech to the right wing of the party to the center where he's trying to attract the majority of americans and change his views so stunningly. you pointed it out, but it is utterly unbelievable to me as a republican that we could have such extremes in the party and have someone who would try to address both of them and win the white house. >> would mitt romney take us to war against iran? >> i don't know, because i don't know what his policy is, ed. i think his policy, from what i've heard and talked to some of his advisers about, is almost identical with president obama's. but in order to establish a gap between them, he seems to be saying things that would indicate, yes, he would take us to war, yet again, in western asia. >> romney talked about military spending today. here's how he's going to spend tax dollars. here it is.
what is fact, what is fiction in mitt romney's foreign policy? >> let me just say first, ed, that i have never in some 68 years on this earth witnessed any political candidate for the united states move so swiftly from his speech to the right wing of the party to the center where he's trying to attract the majority of americans and change his views so stunningly. you pointed it out, but it is utterly unbelievable to me as a republican that we could have such extremes in the party and have...
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one year ago, mitt romney gave a speech at the citadel on foreign policy. it was billed and marketed as a huge speech. he will tell us how he would make the world a better place, how he would do things differently. and there wasn't a lot of meat there. once again, mitt romney had 23 minutes, he used 23 minutes, i counted them. and he basically said nothing. i agree with the president that we -- let's just get tougher with iran. we need to arm the rebels in syria, use third parties to help advance our case. he made some mistakes and blunders, of course. one mistake is that he said, this president's done nothing on free trade agreements. i guess south korea and panama, colombia -- >> didn't count for him. >> but overall, mitt romney is trying to prove -- this is his whole argument, that republicans are tougher when it comes to foreign policy. you know what? that's the old playbook. there's a new playbook because there's a new sheriff in town and that's barack obama. >> i think this was a real step backwards. last week he created an opening of how serious are
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to foreign policy. ♪ >>> romney delivered his first major foreign policy speech at virginia military institute in lexington. it is the country's oldest military academy. he came out swinging. he condemned the president for what he says is leading from behind, declaring it is time to change course in the middle east. want to bring in our foreign affairs correspondent jill dougherty at the state department. first of all, the first criticism was that he said the president didn't have this overall strategy that would be successful in the middle east. let's listen. >> i know the president hopes for a safer, freer, and more prosperous middle east aallied with us. i share this hope, but hope is not a strategy. we can't support our friends and defeat our enemies in the middle east when our words are not backed up by deeds. >> jill, i want to ask you this because is this about a failed strategy on the part of the obama administration, or are these factors that are basically playing out in the middle east out of the white house's control? >> you know, i would say a lot of those are factors tha
to foreign policy. ♪ >>> romney delivered his first major foreign policy speech at virginia military institute in lexington. it is the country's oldest military academy. he came out swinging. he condemned the president for what he says is leading from behind, declaring it is time to change course in the middle east. want to bring in our foreign affairs correspondent jill dougherty at the state department. first of all, the first criticism was that he said the president didn't have...
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romney's tenth foreign policy speech today. >> that's the lonlcle implication and i think not. i think the american people are not ready for such a war. they'd like things to get better in syria. they'd like the atrocities to stop, and they'd prefer that the outcome be favorable to u.s. interests, but i don't think there's any desire to get into a proxy war. >> indeed. michael, the president urges assad to step down. he supports arab efforts in their opposition to the syrian government. given the instability of libya and egypt, isn't the president's cautious approach to syria the right one unless, and i repeat, unless we want to get involved in another war? >> hi, martin. well, to be honest with you, i think there is a fairly narrow range of disagreement between the two men here because, as you know, if we think about this kind of a war and we think of all of our range of possible interventions, providing or asking our allies to provide a few more weapons is a relatively modest step along the spectrum. we're not talking about american planes creating a no-fly zone in the romney
romney's tenth foreign policy speech today. >> that's the lonlcle implication and i think not. i think the american people are not ready for such a war. they'd like things to get better in syria. they'd like the atrocities to stop, and they'd prefer that the outcome be favorable to u.s. interests, but i don't think there's any desire to get into a proxy war. >> indeed. michael, the president urges assad to step down. he supports arab efforts in their opposition to the syrian...
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the third debate is foreign policy. >> right. >> bill: so you would assume that the romney people have their investigators out right now trying to get information about ambassador rice, the united nations, hillary clinton, you got to assume that they sense blood in the water and that's where it will all come out at that debate. >> well, if there are hard and fast facts -- >> bill: they don't even have to be. there can be questions posed to president obama. >> i understand that, but i'm not sure those questions will be posed. but i think it will be afire debate and romney will have a chance to -- >> bill: he will have a chance to -- >> he has a challenge. he's got to establish that he's conversant with these foreign policy issues and he speaks about them with knowledge and comfort am he did that today in his speech. >> bill: all right. thanks very much. ahead, new presidential polling. we'll give you the numbers. then bernie goldberg on press reaction to the rumble and adam corolla on record high gas prices in california. those reports after these messages oohooo....hahaahahaha! oh...th
the third debate is foreign policy. >> right. >> bill: so you would assume that the romney people have their investigators out right now trying to get information about ambassador rice, the united nations, hillary clinton, you got to assume that they sense blood in the water and that's where it will all come out at that debate. >> well, if there are hard and fast facts -- >> bill: they don't even have to be. there can be questions posed to president obama. >> i...
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are we prepared to make those sacrifices for a foreign policy that mitt romney may or may not propose? >> joel, from your state perspective, karen talking about words do matter srks that a big part of today's foreign policy address, avoiding land mines, pitfalls in his wording? >> words do matter and the international community is confused by governor romney and the foreign policy. the shifting back and forth on issues such as libya, to egypt. very confusing for foreign leaders to gauge where he is and the american people also will want to hear about veterans in this speech unlike the republican convention and understand where will the $2 trillion in extra defense spending come from? >> general, isn't that a big distinction, too? because what's being done for our vets comes from a different budget than what's spent for defense. >> well, i think there's normally a view to support the veterans administration, secretary shinseki's concerns of ptsd and reintegrating the afghanistan and iraq veterans. the big question for romney is upping naval ship construction dramatically, restoring the
are we prepared to make those sacrifices for a foreign policy that mitt romney may or may not propose? >> joel, from your state perspective, karen talking about words do matter srks that a big part of today's foreign policy address, avoiding land mines, pitfalls in his wording? >> words do matter and the international community is confused by governor romney and the foreign policy. the shifting back and forth on issues such as libya, to egypt. very confusing for foreign leaders to...
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that's what mitt romney said on foreign policy behind closed doors. whatever he says today in a couple of hours, you got to juxtapose that to that quote in the video when he thought no one else was listening. >> john, one of mitt romney's problems is the only specifics he's given as to how his foreign policy differs from president obama is that he's going to talk tougher and somehow that'll change the behavior of these countries. >> well, first of all, let's not forget this is the president that said on foreign policy you lead from behind. which is not the american way. second of all, the reason for the speech today is mitt romney is going to talk about a plan for the middle east. something that this president has yet to really talk about. and third of all -- >> kick the ball down the field? >> -- there are a lot of questions about libya, the security there, that are yet unanswered. i think that'll be addressed by mitt romney today. >> l.z.? >> well, i hope if he mentions libya he talked about gadhafi. gadhafi is no longer here because of the presiden
that's what mitt romney said on foreign policy behind closed doors. whatever he says today in a couple of hours, you got to juxtapose that to that quote in the video when he thought no one else was listening. >> john, one of mitt romney's problems is the only specifics he's given as to how his foreign policy differs from president obama is that he's going to talk tougher and somehow that'll change the behavior of these countries. >> well, first of all, let's not forget this is the...
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foreign policy credentials ahead of romney's speech on foreign policy this morning. the obama camp claims romney's overseas trips have been reckless and amateurish. >>> the bronx bombers bats woke up in the ninth. the yankees scored five runs in the final frame to beat the orioles. take a 1-0 lead in the division series. in the national league the cincinnati reds are one win away from playing the pennant. crushed the giants behind pitcher bronson arroyo. he gave up just a sill hit in seven innings. >> anything -- >> won the world series in 2004 and 2007 -- >> just has to work it in, no matter what. what about the red sox? >> won in 2004 and 2007. >> so long ago. >> i know. >> 2004. >> yeah. i think i had 16 children in between them. >> come on. >> his kids think they win every year. >> they don't know. i told them they won the world series again this year. >> our team michael is with us, editor and chief of global grind.com, easy for me to say, the political director for russell simmons, ryan lizza is back, washington correspondent for "the new yorker" and kellyann c
foreign policy credentials ahead of romney's speech on foreign policy this morning. the obama camp claims romney's overseas trips have been reckless and amateurish. >>> the bronx bombers bats woke up in the ninth. the yankees scored five runs in the final frame to beat the orioles. take a 1-0 lead in the division series. in the national league the cincinnati reds are one win away from playing the pennant. crushed the giants behind pitcher bronson arroyo. he gave up just a sill hit in...
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shut your mouth, mitt romney. you don't know a thing about foreign policy. so what is he going to do? his main strategy s okay, i got it. let's spit in everybody's eyes and encourage more war. this is him saying that in code words, watch. >> romney: it's time to change course in the middle east. that course should be organized around thighs bedrock principles. america must have confidence in our cause clarity in our purpose, and resolve in our might. no friend of america will question our commitment to support them. no enemy that attacks america will question our resolve to defeat them. and no one anywhere, friend or foe, will doubt america's capability to back up our words. >> cenk: in other words, if anyone even looks at us the wrong way let's start another war in the middle east! that sounds like a brilliant strategy. remember libya zero american troops killed. iraq over 5,000 killed for that needless war why? saddam hussein. we don't like that go. where are the weapons of mass production, you losers! where was the connection to 9/11? nothing. you know wh
shut your mouth, mitt romney. you don't know a thing about foreign policy. so what is he going to do? his main strategy s okay, i got it. let's spit in everybody's eyes and encourage more war. this is him saying that in code words, watch. >> romney: it's time to change course in the middle east. that course should be organized around thighs bedrock principles. america must have confidence in our cause clarity in our purpose, and resolve in our might. no friend of america will question our...
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i think that also, while obama has his failures in foreign policy, they are not ones that romney can easily pick up on. >> he could always, i would knowledge ma, imagine, in a debate turn on i killed osama bin laden. that is an undisputable vote winner for the american public. >> one of my friends on facebook was joking that he should have -- they should have cremated osama bin laden, should have placed the urn of ashes on the podium beside him. i think that on the national security front right now, obama is looking pretty good. but a month is a long time. plenty can still go wrong. iran can blow up. european economy can blow up. >> in the context, though, of the four-year tenure of his presidency, foreign policy's been an area of expertise for a long time. how do you rate it as a president? he's certainly done it in a very different way to george bush, for example. >> i think that in general, he's been pretty strong. his big mistake, i think, was the surge in afghanistan. he wouldn't acknowledge that but i think a lot of people around him would. on syria, i think he's widely regarde
i think that also, while obama has his failures in foreign policy, they are not ones that romney can easily pick up on. >> he could always, i would knowledge ma, imagine, in a debate turn on i killed osama bin laden. that is an undisputable vote winner for the american public. >> one of my friends on facebook was joking that he should have -- they should have cremated osama bin laden, should have placed the urn of ashes on the podium beside him. i think that on the national security...
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on tomorrow morning's washington journal, foreign policy magazine examine mitt romney's foreign policy speech. the l.a. times and tribune newspapers come oup with a solution. they rate the current state of the u.s. housing market. the washington journal, like every morning starting at 7:00 a.m. eastern. >> and this government has maintained the closest surveillance of the soviet military buildup. within the past week, unmistakable evidence has established the fact that a series of offensive missile sites is now in preparation on that imprisoned island. the purpose of these bases can be done other than to provide a nuclear strike capability against the western hemisphere. >> do you deny that the ussr has placed and is placing medium and intermediate range missiles and sites? yes or no? don't wait for the translation. >> live from the presidential library, historians, scholars, and filmmakers, and journalists. starting at 12:30 p.m. eastern on american history tv. >> tomorrow morning, charles schumer talks about u.s. tax policy. tax policy changes should not include rates for the wealthi
on tomorrow morning's washington journal, foreign policy magazine examine mitt romney's foreign policy speech. the l.a. times and tribune newspapers come oup with a solution. they rate the current state of the u.s. housing market. the washington journal, like every morning starting at 7:00 a.m. eastern. >> and this government has maintained the closest surveillance of the soviet military buildup. within the past week, unmistakable evidence has established the fact that a series of...
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romney gave a major foreign policy speech to reboot the perception his campaign is weak on global affair as. romney cited recent protests and violence in arab countries as examples of a aworsening security situation he blamed on president obama's policies. >> the blame for the murder of our people in libya and the attacks on our embassies in so many countries lies soly with those who carried them out. no one else. but it is our responsibility and the responsibility of the president to use america aa's greatest power. >> call aiing it, quote, differe without distinction and did not stray from the tactics used now by the the obama administration. >>> imagine being 23 miles above the ground and then jumping. that's exactly what one extreme skydiver plans to do today at 120,000 feet, 82 1/2 empire state buildings stacked on top of one another. problem now is the weather a. strong winds are delaying the event. you're looking at a live picture from the launch site in new mexico. if everything goes to plan, baumgartner will begin the first person to break the sound bear aier witho a -- barrier
romney gave a major foreign policy speech to reboot the perception his campaign is weak on global affair as. romney cited recent protests and violence in arab countries as examples of a aworsening security situation he blamed on president obama's policies. >> the blame for the murder of our people in libya and the attacks on our embassies in so many countries lies soly with those who carried them out. no one else. but it is our responsibility and the responsibility of the president to use...
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let's talk mitt romney on foreign policy. do you trust him? do you think this is an issue that republicans can still win on? i think president obama has been tougher on national security than any other modern president to tell the truth. join the conversation at 866-55-press. we'll be right back. >> announcer: this is the "bill press show." ♪ >>now that's politically direct. (vo) what is said here could decide the election. current tv presents coverage of the vice presidential debate. with unrivaled analysis and commentary. >> was this the game changer? is this going to change the dynamic? (vo) the only network with real-time reaction straight from the campaigns and from viewers like you. >> so keep on tweeting and maybe you'll have your voice be part of this democracy and see your tweets up on our screen. >>now that's politically direct. ♪ >> announcer: radio meets television, the "bill press show." now on current tv. >> bill: 25 minutes after the hour. joe is in studio with us. the plow shares fund just out with a very very important new
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charles blow, columnist for the "new york times" and former romney foreign policy spokesman, rick grinell. welcome to you both. let's start with this stacey dash thing. there is a very nice, attractive, talented young black actress who decides because she has come to this conclusion i'm -- i voted for obama before, i'm voting for romney now and all hell breaks loose. she's the subject of a vicious attack on twitter by all sorts of people. what do you make of it? >> listen, i think it's unfortunate that anybody can make up their mind and vote however they want. i think also, you do have to realize that there are people who kind of gravitate to vote in grps and they kind of think in groups. i think we sometimes just look at the racial group but there are people who vote in gender lines, they look at whether or not there's a war on women and whether or not you should be a woman voting for the gop, for instance. a lot of people make that argument. there's sexual orientation, there's kind of ethnic -- >> right. but in this particular case -- >> all i'm saying is should she have been attacked,
charles blow, columnist for the "new york times" and former romney foreign policy spokesman, rick grinell. welcome to you both. let's start with this stacey dash thing. there is a very nice, attractive, talented young black actress who decides because she has come to this conclusion i'm -- i voted for obama before, i'm voting for romney now and all hell breaks loose. she's the subject of a vicious attack on twitter by all sorts of people. what do you make of it? >> listen, i...